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Isaac Websters Bowling Bradford Yorkshire

 

Worth exploring Isaac since he is the eldest son and was perhaps the first to move to an industrialzed region.

He may give us clues to other family connections.

Bowling, Bradford

Most of the Webster locations had Castles or substantial estates nearly.

Even the industrialized Bowling had a large "Hall" nearby in about ~ 1820 when the Websters moved from Killinghall.

There are some Websters in Bradford very early. There is no indication that our Websters are related to these Websters, but neither is there anything to eliminate some distant connection.

Once our line moved, it certainly a major change for the Websters to move to this location. I don't have an earlier population, but in 1851 Killinghall had 569 residents and 162 houses.

IN 1801 BRADFORD WAS STILL A RURAL TOWN with a population of 13.000 by 1841  it had gone up to 130.000! By 1900 we were looking at a figure of 280,000.

More information below on Bowling.

 

 

 

Isaacs

As early as 1655 there is mention of an Isack Webster in the 1891 Histories of Bolton and Bowling. "a yearly rent-charge of six shillingsout of a house lately builded by Isack Webster , wh. last close I bought of one Robert Rawson , being near the Bickersgate in Bowlinge."

(Bolton and Undercliffe is an electoral ward in the City of Bradford Metropolitan District Council, England. Bolton and Undercliffe covers the area east of Bradford Beck, between Shipley & Wrose to the north and central Bradford to the south. It is a largely urban area. Wikipedia)

(In 1870-72, John Marius Wilson's Imperial Gazetteer of England and Wales described Bolton like this:

BOLTON, a township in Calverley parish, W. R. Yorkshire; 2 miles NNE of Bradford. It includes the hamlets of Hodgson-Fold, Low-Fold, and Out-Lane, and part of the village of Frizinghall. Acres, 736. Real property, £3,604. Pop., 937. Houses, 216. The inhabitants are chiefly employed in the woollen factories. Vision of Britain How to reference this page: GB Historical GIS / University of Portsmouth, History of Bolton, in Bradford and West Riding | Map and description, A Vision of Britain through Time. URL: http://www.visionofbritain.org.uk/place/22620 Date accessed: 31st January 2016)

only the intro

[PDF]The History. of Bolton in Bradford-Dale - Yorkshire CD Books www.yorkshirecdbooks.com/pdf/BoltonBradfordDalePages.pdf of the Senior Boys' Class, at Bolton St. James'. Sunday School, conceived the idea of produc- ing a comprehensive history of Bolton in. Bradford-Dale, and the

http://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/search/results?basicsearch=%22isaac%20webster%22%20divorce&exactsearch=false&newspapertitle=leeds%20times

Even though this is the Leeds Times, I believe this is in the Bradford section. It could be our Isaac, but I'm still not convinced that the "worsted spinner" becomes a book keeper.

Worsted Spinner http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlmayo2/irish_occupations_england_census.html

Worsted Spinner. A person who spins the worsted yarn that becomes cloth. Yorkshire- Horton, Horton in Bradford;

The "commercial clerk" in 1861 when he is with the Midgleys is quite likely still a Book Keeper

 

victorian britain

A junior clerk in a City firm might have earned less than £100 a year. The chairman of the Board might have been paid £1,000. But they shared one vital distinction; they were both members of the 'great middle class'. They worked with letters and figures, wore morning coats, stiff white collars and top hats. A skilled engineering workman might earn more than a clerk, but he worked with his hands – he was irredeemably a member of the lower classes. - See more at: http://www.bl.uk/victorian-britain/articles/the-victorian-middle-classes#sthash.imOeckyD.dpuf

All clerks were to be ticked to Commercial Clerks with a number of exceptions (Civil Service (002), Army (010), Navy (014), Law (026), Shorthand (036), Banks (075), Insurance (077), Railway (081), Bookstall (123) and Clerks of Works (167). However, Book-keepers, Cashiers and (non-private) Secretaries were to be considered clerks (072).

THE CLASSIFICATION OF OCCUPATIONS in 1881 census

 

the bookeeper references and birthplace as Allerton Mauleverer-

 

 

 

 

 

Isaac could be the scoundrel, but not sure about the marriage year and the proximity.

Keighley is ~ 30 mi from Bowling both the other "visitors" are from Keighley in 1861 census. It's very likely this one is correct since combination of age and Allerton Mauleverer borthplace would not be common.

Keighley The town's industries have typically been in textiles, particularly wool and cotton processing. In addition to the manufacture of textiles there were several large factories making textile machinery

 

Westbury on Trym is a suburb and council ward in the north of the City of Bristol, near the suburbs of Stoke Bishop,Westbury ParkHenleazeSouthmead and Henbury, in the southwest of England. Westbury on Trym has a village atmosphere. The place is partly named after the River Trym that flows through it.

 

1851 events for websters
burials

Webster 1851 1851 Bristol, St Mary Redcliffe  
John Webster 1843 1851 Fishponds, St Mary
John Webster 1843 1851 Stapleton, Holy Trinity
Thomas Webster 1770 1851 Mangotsfield, St James
William Webster 1851 Bedminster, St John

 

 

 

 

England Deaths and Burials, 1538-1991

1843
Fishponds, Gloucestershire, England
23 February 1851
Fishponds, Gloucestershire, England
  Thomas Webster

England Deaths and Burials, 1538-1991

2 September 1851
Mangotsfield, Gloucester, England
  John Webster

England and Wales Death Registration Index 1837-2007

1851
Clifton, Gloucestershire, England
  John Webster

England, Bristol Parish Registers, 1538-1900

23 February 1851
Stapleton, Holy Trinity, Gloucestershire, England
23 February 1851

Stapleton, Holy Trinity, Gloucestershire

 

  John Webster

England, Bristol Parish Registers, 1538-1900

1843
23 February 1851
Fishponds, St Mary, Gloucestershire, England
  Webster

England, Bristol Parish Registers, 1538-1900

1851
9 October 1851
Bristol, St Mary Redcliffe, Gloucestershire, England
  Thomas Webster

England, Bristol Parish Registers, 1538-1900

1770
2 September 1851
Mangotsfield, St James, Gloucestershire, England
many Websters born Yorkshire and died Glostershire link

many websters born yorkshire

What about Sarah? This might be Bradford area.(Howard Street 1.7 mi fm Bolling Hall)

20 Jul 1872 "Webster July 9th aged 66, Sarah, widow of Mr. Isaac Webster, Howard Street"

Sarah Gledhill Webster
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Birth:  Mar. 4, 1830
Halifax
Metropolitan Borough of Calderdale
West Yorkshire, England
Death:  Sep. 4, 1872
Halifax
Metropolitan Borough of Calderdale
West Yorkshire, England

Born in Ovenden. 
 
Family links: 
 Spouse:
  Isaac Webster (1825 - 1891)
 
 Children:
  James Webster (1852 - 1855)*
  Walter Webster (1854 - 1890)*
  Tom Webster (1858 - 1858)*
  Edwin Webster (1864 - 1918)*
  George Henry Webster (1870 - 1870)*
 
*Calculated relationship
 
Burial:
Christ Church, Mount Pellon. 
Halifax
Metropolitan Borough of Calderdale
West Yorkshire, England
Plot: 1. V. 19.
 
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Created by: Glynn Thomas Helliwell
Record added: Oct 23, 2015 
Find A Grave Memorial# 154150690
Sarah <i>Gledhill</i> Webster
Added by: Glynn Thomas Helliwell
 
 
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Isaac Webster
Birth:  Jan. 19, 1825
Warley
Metropolitan Borough of Calderdale
West Yorkshire, England
Death:  Jun. 3, 1891
Halifax
Metropolitan Borough of Calderdale
West Yorkshire, England

Farmer & Beer Seller.
Brother of 'Samuel Webster' [Brewer]. 
 
Family links: 
 Spouse:
  Sarah Gledhill Webster (1830 - 1872)*

 

 

 

Isaac Webster

England and Wales Census, 1851

Name Isaac Webster
Event Type Census
Event Date 1851
Event Place Westbury Upon Trym, Gloucestershire, England
Registration District Clifton
Gender Male
Age 47
Marital Status Married
Occupation Book Keeper
Relationship to Head of Household Visitor
Birth Year (Estimated) 1804
Birthplace Allerton Mauleverer, Yorkshire
Page Number 31
Registration Number HO107
Piece/Folio 1955 / 148
Affiliate Record Type Household

 

Joseph Smith
England and Wales Census, 1851

Name Joseph Smith
Event Type Census
Event Date 1851
Event Place Westbury Upon Trym, Gloucestershire, England
Registration District Clifton
Gender Male
Age 41
Marital Status Widower
Occupation Reed Maker
Relationship to Head of Household Visitor
Birth Year (Estimated) 1810
Birthplace Keighley, Yorkshire
Page Number 31
Registration Number HO107
Piece/Folio 1955 / 148
Affiliate Record Type Household

 

Frederick Smith

England and Wales Census, 1851

Name Frederick Smith
Event Type Census
Event Date 1851
Event Place Westbury Upon Trym, Gloucestershire, England
Registration District Clifton
Gender Male
Age 28
Marital Status Widower
Occupation Manufacturer
Relationship to Head of Household Visitor
Birth Year (Estimated) 1823
Birthplace Keighley, Yorkshire
Page Number 31
Registration Number HO107
Piece/Folio 1955 / 148
Affiliate Record Type Household

maybe

Frederick Smith and Co manufacture of copper and steel wire

<="" acronym="">Smith, Frederick

[1824-1868] Son of Thomas Smith.

 
He learned the wire-making trade whilst working as Manager at Royston's. On 1st September 1853, he married Mary Abel at Kintore, Scotland. Children:
  1. Matthew
  2. son
  3. son

He invented and patented a continuous wire drawing machine.

In 1859, he started his own business – Frederick Smith & Company – in premises on Charlestown Road and named them Caledonia Wire Mills, with a thistle as the firm's emblem – in his wife's honour.

In 1864, he went into partnership with his brother Matthew.

He was a town Councillor for the North Ward.

He lived at Rhodes Street, Halifax.

He died suddenly at home

 

HOUSEHOLD
ROLE
GENDER
AGE
BIRTHPLACE
Isaac Webster Visitor M 47 Allerton Mauleverer, Yorkshire
Joseph Smith Visitor M 41 Keighley, Yorkshire
Frederick Smith Visitor M 28 Keighley, Yorkshire
Emma Rowles Servant F 17 Tickenham, Somerset

Isaac engineer

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk link

 

1. Isaac WEBSTER was born 1800 in Leeds, Yorkshire. He married Hannah SETTLE. She was born 1804 in Leeds, Yorkshire.
Children of Isaac WEBSTER and Hannah SETTLE are:
2   i. Alice WEBSTER was born 1821 in Bradford, Yorkshire.
3   ii. Fanny WEBSTER was born 1822 in Bradford, Yorkshire.
4   iii. Mary WEBSTER was born 1824 in Bradford, Yorkshire.
5   iv. Hannah Elizabeth WEBSTER was born 1826 in Bradford, Yorkshire.
+ 6   v. Tom WEBSTER was born 19 MAY 1845 in Bradford, Yorkshire, and died BET APR AND JUN 1873 in Bradford, Yorkshire.

 

Prospect house a different Isaac Webster??

 


Sarah widow of Isaac Webster Howard Street West Yorshire maybe Bradford.

 

 

If the 1841 Census is correct Isaac married ~ 1822 -1826 (calculated from  dau, Sarah in the 1841 Census)
She left him in 1849. If this is him and he was a bad guy, why was nephew son, Edward Isaac Webster, b. 1865 given the name Isaac. Is it after him or another Isaac??
The earliest Isaac is likely to have married ~ age 18 in 1822 to age 21 in 1825.  Married in 1834 would make him about 30. In the petition for divorce Mrs. mentions 2 children and makes no mention of Mrs. being in another city
Pollard st is close to Hall Lane.  George's wife might be Hannah Dawson so the solicitor Dawson could have been a relative??
Parents William & Matilda are both still alive for either marriage date and by 1841 the Isaac Swain Green, Bradford address is ~ 2mi from William/Matilda Hall Lane, Bowling address.
 

 

 

On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 9:16 AM, Colin Webster <colin.webster@mypostoffice.co.uk> wrote: HI Paul and Beth

Beth,I don’t think you have the right Isaac in 1841 and the details in 1851 are a bit different to earlier notes sent by Paul. I am afraid that my take on Isaac is less benevolent than you.  I thought that I had previously forwarded the press report of 1859 but I am attaching now.  He seems to have done a bunk and left his wife and kids to fend for themselves.  Still, shouldn’t judge without knowing the full facts! Colin 

I have wondered if Isaac's wife was ill -- fragile/disabled/perhaps senile and in a home or institution.  The visitor along with other visitors in a place that does not seem a vacation area made me wonder why he would be there.  I also noted he continues to identify himself as married.

Is there information on when the census was taken? [In the US census the dates on the actual sheets are usually (bur NOT always) July through September.  For some of my US data I've found children with relatives or extended family.  It's possible they were working or visiting.]  Could Isaac's Sarah have routinely spent time with aged parents??

From the limited glimpses of 1841 and 1861, it seems as if he is surrounding himself with family or perhaps they are rallying around him.???

1841 Clerk, Bookeeper, Commercial Clerk, Swain Green Horton Bradford) dau, Sarah Webster 15-19, dau. Alice Webster 10, dau Fanny Webster 8, dau Mary        Webster 6, dau. Hannah Webster 4, dau Ann Webster 10, all kids b. Yorkshire
1851 Book Keeper, married  visitor in Westbury Upon Trym, Gloucestershire, w/ Joseph Smith 41 Keighley, Yorkshire & Frederick Smith M 28 Keighley, Yorkshire are they related? also visitors
1861 Malvern Street Bradford married w/ Robert Midgley Brother In Law M 51 East Keswick, Yorkshire Caroline Midgley Sister F 48 East Rigton, Yorkshire Samuel Midgley Nephew M 19 East Rigton, Yorkshire Frances Matilda Midgley Niece F 28 Bradford, Yorkshire John M

On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 3:38 AM, Paul Whiteley <paul.whiteley284@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello Beth and Colin, Thankyou for the latest info. Not sure about the Newbury Isaac , here are my notes:-

Isaac Webster b 1804 Allerton Mauleverer , d June 1870.
Marr  Sarah Pollard  1834
Children  Albert Webster b 1835 Bradford. Married Mary Jane Harley
                 Emma Webster b 1837 Bradford   unmarried.

I think Isaac left Sarah before 1851 and lived near Bristol for some time .By
1861 he was back in Bradford living with the family of his sister Caroline.
I think Albert had a son , James Harley Webster , who was a foreign stamp merchant. Best Wishes Pau

 

Isaac Webster

England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

30 March 1804
8 April 1804
ALLERTON MAULEVEVER, YORK, ENGLAND
William Webster
Matilda

Isaac Webster

mentioned in the record of Isaac Webster and Sarah Pollard
Name Isaac Webster
Spouse's Name Sarah Pollard
Event Date 16 Feb 1834
Event Place Shipley,York,England

Isaac Webster

mentioned in the record of Albert Webster
Name Isaac Webster
Gender Male
Wife Sarah
Son Albert Webster
Name Albert Webster
Gender Male
Christening Date 07 Oct 1835
Christening Place BRADFORD,YORK,ENGLAND
Father's Name Isaac Webster
Mother's Name Sarah
Isaac Webster

Head

England and Wales Census, 1861

1804
Allerton, Yorkshire
1861

Bradford, Yorkshire (West Riding), England

 

still says married in 1861

Frances Matilda Midgley, John James Robinson, Caroline Midgley, John Midgley, Samuel Midgley, Robert Midgley

midgley to america

http://midgleywebpages.com/america.html

     
     
Name Isaac Webster
Event Type Census
Event Date 1841
Event Place Bradford, Yorkshire,Yorkshire West Riding, England
Residence Note Dale Street
Gender Male
Age 35-39
Age (Original) 35
Birth Year (Estimated) 1802-1806
Birthplace Yorkshire
Registration District Bradford
Book Number 6
Parish Bradford
County Yorkshire,Yorkshire West Riding
Page Number 34
Registration Number HO107
Piece/Folio 1296/21
Affiliate Record Type Household
HOUSEHOLD
ROLE
GENDER
AGE
BIRTHPLACE
Isaac Webster M 35-39 Yorkshire
Sarah Webster F 35-39 Yorkshire
Albert Webster M 6 Yorkshire
Emma Webster F 3 Yorkshire
Susan Pollard F 30-34 Yorkshire
Joseph Byrne M 20-24 Ireland
CITING THIS RECORD

"England and Wales Census, 1841," database with images, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQ54-C98 : accessed 2 February 2016), Isaac Webster, Bradford, Yorkshire,Yorkshire West Riding, England; from "1841 England, Scotland and Wales census," database and images, findmypast (http://www.findmypast.com : n.d.); citing PRO HO 107, The National Archives, Kew, Surrey.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


 

ibbetsons directory 1850 Mrs. Sarah says the last she saw him was Dec 1849. It's quite likely information for an 1850 directory would have been collected in 1849. The streets don't seem to match.

 

Oxenhope, and two years later was apprenticed at William Greenwood's mill there

Greenwood's Mill


Histories of Bolton and Bowling

Another reference mentions William Webster in 1857, son of the late Mr. Isaac Webster who left the Bowling Works to commence business in partnership in the engineering concern of Messrs. Cole, Marchent & Co.

Mr William Webster was suceeded by John Holmes, who had charge of the mining operations until his death in November 1865.

 

colliery: a coal mine

 

p.11 It is also fascinating to note the portion on this History of Bolton mentions other family names Walker, Midgley and Northrop.
 
Also worth noting is the mention of canals. It is possible canal building provided some opportunities for some family connections.


At its worst, Bradford had the reputation of being the most polluted town in England. They were regular outbreakes of Cholera and Typhoid. In 1849. 426 people were killed by cholera.

The death rate among children under 5 was a disgrace, in 1876, 2,000 of Bradford's under 5's Died. And only 30% of children lived to reach the age of 15.

1811 Bradford boasted having 5 mills . Get this!

 In just 10 Years in 1821 it had risen to 26.000 and 20 mills .

The skyline would have been a forest of mill chimneys

A once small  back water town with beautiful clean water and small farmstead's. Became a Ecological disaster on a massive scale.

Prior to the nineteenth century, Bradford was very much a backwater. After that it was to become the metropolis of the worsted industry and enjoyed a prosperity scarcely equaled by any other portion of the kingdom. It was said at the time that the real energy of Yorkshire centred in Bradford. The times of growth were astounding and in 1897, when the town received its city status, Bradford truly was magnificent.

Wherever you go in Bradford you cannot escape its rich industrial past.  

Mark Davis. Author
https://sites.google.com/site/livinginindustrialbradford/
and
https://sites.google.com/site/livinginindustrialbradford/

 

checked folder Isaac Webster photo Abbey Works 2.doc

 

Thornton Isaac Webster connection

 
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